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Discussion Board > Recognized Septs of Clan Douglas

Some months ago, I researched Clan Douglas sites from all over the world and compiled a list of recognized septs. In addition to the many variant spellings of Douglas, I found these:

Agnew
Alexander
- Bell -
Blackett
Blacklock
Blackstock
Blackwood
Blalock
Breckinridge
Brown
Brownlee
Cavers
Cavin
Dick
Dickey
Dickle
Drongan
Drysdale
Forest
Forrester
Foster
Gilpatric
Glendinning
Glenn
Hardy
Harkness
Henry
Hixson
Ingles
Inglis
Kent
Kidston
Kilgore
Kilpatrick
Kirk
Kirkland
Kirkpatrick
Lochrie
Lockerby
Lockery
MacGuffey
MacGuffock
McKillrick
McKittrick
Morton
Norton
Sandilands
Sandlin
Simms
Soule
Sterrett
Syme
Symington
Troup
- Young -

Please note that Bell and Young are now considered separate clans yet persons having connections to Bell or Young are always welcome to join Clan Douglas.

Our list of recognized septs does contain most of the names I have listed but not all. And I have left out the many variations of these surnames (and many do exist) for ease of viewing. It would be nice to have the missing surnames added to our list of recognized septs.

Even with all these septs recognized, I believe one is missing: Moffat. Revived and recognized as a separate clan in 1983, Clan Moffat were close allies of Clan Douglas. The town of Moffat was squarely in Douglas lands.

But I offer a stronger bond of affiliation, the Moffat tartan, as proof for Moffat’s inclusion as a sept of Douglas. When the new Chief of Moffat designed his tartan in 1983, he based it on the Douglas Grey “to commemorate early family connections.” [Clan Moffat; http://www.clanmoffat.info/tartans.shtml]

If the Chief of Moffat recognized the family connection between Douglas and Moffat, I believe we should be open to that connection as well and I ask that CDSNA accept Moffat and its many variations as a recognized sept of Clan Douglas.

Harold Edington
Kansas Regent

February 9, 2010 | Registered Commenterhweha

Harold,

Thanks for the information as I will pass it on to our President Jim Jacob Douglas, the Septs that are posted on our site are the names that are registered with Lord Lyon and are recognized in Scotland. The addition of the names you found would possibly bring more people into the Clan Douglas Society so we can grow our Clan. I would love to know where
you found some of these names to help further the inclusion of these names to our list of Septs

Best Regards,
Mark A. Peterson
No. California Regent and Website Editor
CDSNA

February 13, 2010 | Registered CommenterMark Peterson

Happy to ...

Besides our own website (listed first), I have found seven others that list Douglas septs. They are:
http://www.clandouglassociety.org/septs.html
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Heritage/FSCNS/Scots_NS/Clans/Douglas/Septs_Douglas/Septs_Douglas.html
http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/history/Septs/septs.htm
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/dtog/douglas.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~douglasdumfries/septs.html
http://www.clandouglas.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=54
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Clan_Douglas?t=2.#4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Douglas

Harold Edington
CDSNA Kansas Regent

February 13, 2010 | Registered Commenterhweha

BLACKADDER as a sept of Clan Douglas

In my researching, I have wandered across another family name that could/should be added to our list of Douglas sept names; the surname Blackadder. William Anderson's book, “The Scottish Nation” (published in 1877), provides some compelling evidence for linking Blackadder to our Douglas family.

"Andrew Blackadder, the proprietor of the estate, married a daughter of the house of Johnston of Johnston, ancestor of the earls of Annandale, and had two sons, Robert and Patrick. Robert, the elder son, espoused Alison Douglas, fourth daughter of George, Master of Angus, and sister of Archibald, earl of Angus. He followed the standard of the Douglases at Flodden in 1513, and was slain with his father-in-law and two hundred gentlemen of the name of Douglas, on that disastrous field, leaving a widow and two daughters, Beatrix and Margaret, who, at the time, were mere children [Redpath’s Border History.]"
[William Anderson, The Scottish Nation, 3 vols. (Edinburgh and London, 1877), 1:309]

According to Wikipedia, “Clan Blackadder is a Scottish clan. The clan historically held lands near the Anglo-Scottish border. Today Clan Blackadder does not have a chief recognised by the Lord Lyon King of Arms, therefore the clan has no standing under Scots Law. Clan Blackadder is considered an armigerous clan, meaning that it is considered to have had at one time a chief who possessed the chiefly arms, however no one at present is in possession of such arms. The arms of Blackadder of that Ilk are blazoned as: Azure, on a chevron Argent three roses Gules.” [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Blackadder]

I have looked for any clan listing Blackadder as a sept, and to my knowledge, no clan currently claims the name. Based on the co-mingling of blood – through marriage and on the battlefield under the standard of Douglas – I would like to submit the surname Blackadder for inclusion as a sept of Douglas.

Harold Edington
CDSNA Kansas Regent

April 11, 2010 | Registered Commenterhweha

As an update and to simplify my proposal for recognizing the following as septs of Clan Douglas, I submit the following alphabetical list. It is to be noted that Bell, Moffat, and Young are independently recognized clans but membership in Clan Douglas should still be possible for these individuals. I would encourage anyone who believes this list should be expanded to submit documentation here.

Agnew
Alexander
Blackadder
Blackett
Blacklock
Blackstock
Blackwood
Blalock
Breckinridge
Brown
Brownlee
Cavers
Cavin
Dick
Dickey
Dickle
Drongan
Drysdale
Forest
Forrester
Foster
Gilpatric
Glendinning
Glenn
Hardy
Harkness
Henry
Hixson
Ingles
Inglis
Kent
Kidston
Kilgore
Kilpatrick
Kirk
Kirkland
Kirkpatrick
Lochrie
Lockerby
Lockery
MacGuffey
MacGuffock
McKillrick
McKittrick
Morton
Norton
Sandilands
Sandlin
Simms
Soule
Sterrett
Syme
Symington
Troup

*Bell*
*Moffat*
*Young*

April 30, 2010 | Registered Commenterhweha