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Discussion Board > Unproven Claims; said to be a Douglas sept but lacking proof

The following surnames ...
Dick, Dickle, Hardy/Hardie, Henry, Hixson, Ingles (form of Inglis?), Kidston, Kirk, McKillrick, Norton ...
are listed as Douglas septs in various places on the internet. However, without some historical evidence, these are unproven claims and these surnames ~should not~ be included. It would be wonderful to have the evidence presented for possible inclusion of one or more of these surnames in the Douglas sept list.

Perhaps a member or a guest will be able to provide such evidence.

November 7, 2010 | Registered Commenterhweha


I would still like to find documentation for SIMMS and SYME. These two names are part of the sept list for Clan Douglas Association of Australia (CDAA) and I have been told by a CDAA officer that these names were part of a list given by our CDSNA officers to the newly chartered CDAA back in the late 1980s.

One website in Canada lists NORTON as a sept. This is another name for which I would really like to find documentation.

If you can provide the evidence for any of these names, please post here. We need your help.

March 9, 2011 | Registered Commenterhweha

I found proof for the inclusion of Simms and Syme in an early Dubh Ghlase newsletter. Both names were accepted as septs at the same time as Symington, both being considered variants of Symington.

September 5, 2011 | Registered Commenterhweha

Needing information on KIDSTON and its connection to the Douglas family. Some websites list Kidston as a sept but finding documentation is difficult.

September 5, 2011 | Registered Commenterhweha

My family has been in Ayr for (more or less) 800 years, and family tradition claimed Douglas kinship for more than a minimum 100 years known, yet no list I have ever seen has included "Welsh" as even connected to Clan Douglas. I would really appreciate any confirmations.

May 27, 2012 | Registered CommenterJames Douglas Welsh

The first step in determining whether or not a surname is connected to Clan Douglas is to find historical evidence. While family tradition can be a useful starting place, it is difficult to document beyond refutation. "Welsh", like "Wallace", likely denotes someone from Wales.

May 28, 2012 | Registered Commenterhweha